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August 3, 2022 at 3:11 am in reply to: The New Old Age” with Monica Martinez, Ph.D.” #74688
This is beautiful, the Jung quote and your words Monica: “Know all the theories, master all the techniques, but as you touch a human soul be just another human soul.” Carl Jung
Monica: “More and more I understand that this is what has a potential to heal.”
How is it, that the things which seem simple also feel the most profound?
I love the one on oneness of this expression of connection. Think John Lennon sang something about “recognizing your brother, everyone you meet.” It reminds me of that too.
”As you touch a human soul, just be another human soul.”
What I love about this is it’s not overwhelming…it’s a beautiful starting place of compassion…the great hidden in the small.
I think it’s hard today, because everyone is thinking about every/all/one and loving everyone and taking care/helping in the world…all the quantity…and it is wonderful! Yet can also can be challenging.
But here, Jung gives the example of just being present for another human being and recognizing the human in each other. That brings in a raw and beautiful realness.
And makes this feel reachable…and brings one right into the present moment…
here is another human in front of you.
”as you touch a human soul, just be another human soul”
Monica: “More and more I understand that this is what has a potential to heal.”
Beautiful.August 3, 2022 at 2:32 am in reply to: Boxing Transcendence? (Re-edit-shorter) #72954
Yes. That’s brilliant…great metaphor Stephen! Now I’m thinking of how someone might visually explain the beauty of Stephanie’s voice to someone who cannot hear.
And then speaking of the sixties…;-)
You get this from John Lennon
“Listen to the color of your dream.”
Everything you and Joe Campbell said about transcendence (that’s exactly what I imagined…) the place or experience where there are no words…
It really is like “penning a shadow to a wall.”
I saw what you said in Monica’s forum about Joe Campbell’s conversational style/tone in Reflections on Living (love that book) And it’s true..he reaches out to his audience…it’s lovely.
I miss him, though I came late to Power of Myth series…in a re-run many years ago…maybe around 1994?
I love The way Joe Campbell just cuts right to the heart of a matter as you show above. It would be delightful and fascinating to hear him today!…ahh…well…
I don’t know if it’s because we live in a more technical/digital culture…
But it is hard for me to think of myths and storytelling just as something that does or could serve a useful purpose.
It’s that something more, the experience, the spontaneous compassion, the mystery, that has engaged me and so many others I am sure. And has brought many together to ponder, wonder…dream.
Joe nailed it (well as close as anyone can laugh) from the start.July 25, 2022 at 6:57 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74704
That’s probably my fault Juan. For some reason, I posted three in a row or almost …so am thinking I am the one who needs Ariadne to snip my threads! *laugh.* Too many tangents sunbug!
But just in case anyone would like to see your (Juan’s) latest muse again…here it is…
“without a circumstance there is no hero.” -Juan
Love this Juan! Very clear and succinct.
And Beautiful…:-) I believe Stephen said it rings true and I agree!
here is Juan’s Quote
Juan: . “It has been said that heroes are ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances. This points out, to me, to the relational nature of the heroic act. Without a circumstance, there is no hero. The individual or ego alone is never the hero, nor initiates, motivates or is the source of the quest. In fact, it could be argued that the individual has to break out of the ego shell before he/she becomes the hero. This is what the initial resistance to the call describes, in my view. The ego does not want to go there. The call to the heroic quest comes to the individual not from the ego but from a dimension that transcends it. That is why, when accepted, it is transformative.”July 24, 2022 at 6:43 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74711
My apologies Stephen. When I wrote that post originally, I was thinking exactly what you said about Exclusion by particular literal views. But it was late and I was second guessing my words (probably due to the fact I have friends from various backgrounds and faiths…so I hedged and muddied up the intent. Ah well. But I do agree with you and Joe. You made it clear again, that it is the literalness that is the issue.
So Joseph Campbell does not contradict himself. It is also the literal used at expense or harm to others that creates the tension, pain and problem.
I was thinking too subjectively, that one can feel a place is sacred without condemning others but of course that is exactly what Black Elk and Joe are doing! That’s what happens on a tired musing. Sorry about that. But I think you are right 😉 no contradiction here.July 24, 2022 at 5:29 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74714
On behalf of the collective journey/s…
Maybe they too, need more of a chance
and a deeper look to appreciate the dynamics of the group or community adventures.
The reference of collaboration and teamwork or working together to achieve a worthy goal is certainly admirable!
But in the solo quests, there are all of these nuances of inner work, struggles, facing one’s fears, aligning with something deeper than surface ego and then either achieving or failing a quest (the loss or gain of a grail or awareness.)
But within the group adventures, this happens as well.
Working and Collaborating together is what the group/s do or strive to do…
But what’s Happening to Them as they work and journey together? Isn’t that part of a collective journey as much as a solo or duo one?
Stephen said something in post
# 7444 about the re-integration of an individual after individuation helping to make a stronger and more vibrant community.
I think that vibrancy is an important part of the group/community/collective adventures, because it gives life to the communities and multiple characters in any story.
There might be a trick with those individual quests out the village gate or even the tensions between adventurers and their society. Because those type of journeys could make the Society or Village feel like a stubborn rock that just sits still in the middle of the story. So then hero quests would definitely pull more attention…
Except when Life is seen within the village/community…then the Vibrancy Returns.
Jung’s vision/dream conjures the idea of every journey person being a builder. So that is interesting. Everyone and all are builders and the journey/goal is a Spiritual project.
I understand that collective journeys rely on teamwork and cooperation and collaboration…working together to achieve/find something important.
Yet, there is another part of the team journey, which fascinates me…
“Thinking on one’s feet.”
Yes, it sounds like the solo adventure, but sometimes in theater, improv plays a role…and in dance…not just solo but Group improv.
It’s one thing to improv by yourself and quite another to improv on the spot in tandem and to make it flow!
So what of those tales where a certain Circumstance (back to Juan’s original thought) befalls all the characters collectively? And that Circumstance might cut them off from some of the traditional avenues of solutions?
Some regular types of teamwork may work, but now there may be a call to use what is it hand, a call to improvise together…to think on the spot together,
(yes to work through struggles and disagreements as well.)
But NOW the collective or community or small group has a chance to show the strength of the human spirit and in collaboration AND thinking together on the feet so to speak.
If anything, maybe that’s the part of those collective journeys we enjoy the most: so and so thought this…and the two of them came up with that…and now the whole group made that play, built that shelter, fooled the antagonists. Cheer the team!
Of course there are 1001 of these Circumstance Befalling tales from fantasy to sci-fi and other fiction.
And I certainly appreciate the beauty and ability of humans or communities who can come and work together and follow various blueprints.
But I’m just as impressed with community/collective adventurers, who learn how to work together when there are no obvious blueprints or the blueprints are lost in the storm.
Of course there will be conflicts, anger, and other frustrations and dramatic irony and learning curves,but when that improv does come together….YEAH!
(Unless the tv show enjoys reveling in conflict shadows indeterminately-laugh)
And as much as I enjoy individual journeys, some of my favorite parts of a story is when fave characters on another geographical side of the realm cross paths with other protagonists. Then everybody comes together.
I think the challenge for me about the collective journeys is not about everyone working together on journey together, but it’s about appreciating these collectives as something less broad and random… “collective group of humans on journey working together.”
I want to know about these humans, who they are…their village, community…and who are the humans who make up the team of adventurers?
One of the things I think we seem to relate to in team adventures is getting to know and appreciate the characters with all their different traits. And how they relate to each other. I can’t help but want to know their names, their gifts and their flaws /idiosyncrasies.
If it’s to be a collective adventure, I want to see the Heart of the collective…not just teamwork, but friendship, compassion, thinking on the feet together, working through struggles together...not just “following set plans to a desired goal” but the ability and creativity to make new plans together if necessary. That’s what I enjoy.
We know humans can cooperate and collaborate together but that latter also hints that humans can create together.
Imagination and inspiration are available to groups as well as individuals. In music it takes more than one note (most of the time) for the whole song.
And maybe the old draw away from the beauty of the group adventure was a sense of a loss or lack of vitality,
The sense when a “village” begins to feel more like moving wallpaper (extras) in a movie or story.
But to be fair there are plenty of visual stories who give “life” and energy to the villages these days.
And part of the appreciation for various villages, communities, group adventurers, fellowships, teams and so forth is appreciation for the individual people/characters who are in and part of these teams/communities.
Then, when we hear This Team/These Knights/This Community, we have the vision of the people within it.
Even in a broad Earth-from-moon view, where one cannot possibly name every person on the planet…still one can remember humans are on Spaceship Earth (along with other living beings.)
So even if we cannot name the individuals of the Collective on Spaceship Earth, we can still know the vibrant living essence of it pulsing through…humans/animals/plants trees/living ecosystem.
If we see Gaia as a living organism then perhaps we desire the poetry for it or at least for Spaceship Earth and for the stars beckoning beyond and watching from the firmament. Or poetry for humanity.
Maybe it takes some gentle digging and dusting through the strata of the collective to see the real heart of it. Community shifts the energy…humanity shifts the energy…
It’s wonderful to do things for Community…but community is much more than one thing (local and extended.)
A person can walk through and be a part of many communities in their life or even in one day.
And it’s the people who make up those communities, who stick with us. Regardless of whether they’re old friends or someone new we meet on the journey.
It’s sort of hard to think of the Beatles without doing a: John, Paul, George and Ringo…
But heck the groups of people we meet don’t have to be famous to stick with us. Because there is something much deeper at work. And more real.
And Yes, it may be hard in a book with numerous characters to remember every one of them…but there will be some we do.
Of course there is a beauty in sharing a smile or the kindness/help of a stranger and never knowing the name of the person.
But the connection happens.
Maybe it seems rare but every little glimmer counts. And maybe the trick is that collective or universal energy sought, somehow is already there or here just waiting to be noticed.
Trying to “make something happen” that already exists (if given awareness) might prove interesting and challenging.
Wasn’t that the issue Campbell had about “fixing the world” unintended consequences?
Though there may not be enough glimmers of awareness to convince any of us there is something already there/here waiting.
So it is humanly natural to look for logical, active solutions. Humans like the action of fixing things or making them better.
And Awareness may just not seem active enough, by itself for the practical logical mind. And in the moment world.
Even though the stories keep hinting awareness has potential barely imagined.
But those are stories and this is the world right?
But alas the world has been full of stories from the beginning in the first view of woodlands, deserts, jungles and tundra and prairies…with the light of sun, moon and stars and reflection in the sea, the rise of buildings and cities and a rickety airplane in NC…rockets to the moon and telescopes collecting galaxies to view from far away…and behemoth computers shrunk down into slips of pocket size glass predicted by Nikolai Tesla…how very strange.
And for all our concerns of an age, our earth dwarfs us in years of experience. We are still catching up in the space of time given to us here. It’s mind blowing.
So yes we are a collective made up of many collectives or we are many hoops, part of one hoop (love the image of the flowering tree.)
But we know this because we are also Story. And it is story, which has brought all of us here to this moment and every moment yet to come.July 23, 2022 at 9:39 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74716
Reply to Stephen # 7456
and Robert #7459
Thank you Stephen for the post from “Black Elk Speaks.” I’ve always enjoyed Campbell’s reference to that book.
It’s wonderful how the view of the Central Mountain is expanded. The sacred center is everywhere.
That brings me back to Robert’s post.
Robert you include this addition from the book as well:
“Black Elk said the mountain he stood upon in his vision was Harney Peak in the Black Hills. ‘But anywhere is the center of the world,’ he added.”
This evokes the idea again, that the sacred center is or can be everywhere.
Almost a “wherever you go there you are…”
Joseph Campbell interprets this and says one is to “not mistake their central mountain for the central mountain of the world.” Then Campbell compares that to some stricter religions. But something makes me pause now.
I certainly understand what Joseph Campbell says. But have a sense there is also something unspoken within that statement.
“One is not to mistake their central mountain of the world… [AT THE EXPENSE or EXCLUSION of other sacred places/views/or expense/punishment of other people, who do not share that view?]
Sort of another form of a Thou Shalt energy? Thou shalt not energy?
But (back to Joseph Campbell) I wonder now, if Campbell in fact contradicts himself in his interpretation? Because if the Sacred Center is Everywhere, when exactly does Harney Peak become less sacred or even less Center? Now, it is part of many sacred Centers everywhere… Because everywhere IS center.
Black Elk’s view to me, represents the And/Both balance. He has his vision there and it’s the center of the world, but it’s not the only center.
Campbell’s take is understandable. It probably comes from his frustrations with more heavy handed “thou shalt” energy in religion and judgement.
Yet, I wonder if Campbell ever delves into Thomas Merton or St. Francis?
Not everything has to be fire and brimstone. And Merton opened up a dialogue too between East and West.
I understand the need and care between a universal view and local ones.
The real fear of a universal view is a fear of amalgamation. That cultural traditions will be lost or even cast aside.
It doesn’t have to happen that way…
But this is why celebrating cultural uniqueness in places all over the world is stressed even more so now.
And it is fascinating and wonderful to see the rich and different histories of various peoples!
And that’s why this quote you provide Stephen hits home:
“One cannot predict the next mythology any more than one can predict tonight’s dream; for a mythology is not an ideology. It is not something projected from the brain, but something experienced from the heart.”
Joseph Campbell, The Inner Reaches of Outer Space (Copyright © 1986, 2002 Joseph Campbell Foundation), p. xix
Especially THIS: It is not something projected from the brain, but something experienced from the heart.”
That is a hopeful place to be!
A place that could hopefully listen and understand and discern.
Campbell does leave the idea of the new myth more of a question mark.
So IF a new myth arises even in 500 or more years the question is whether it will arise from human shared consciousness and needs of individuals and communities and the planet?
Or whether it will come with more of a feeling of a think tank?
With a world woven in technology today, it might be very tempting to predict a myth on the basis of statistics.
Or even outcomes. Beneficial outcomes.
To me, Saruman represents the potential damage that can happen in a broader view or illusion of greater good. He was bent on destroying the Shire. But he could not succeed. The Shire remained the Shire…even as middle earth was healed…the darkness gone and battles won. Dwarves, Elves, Men and Hobbits retained their cultures, but now there was just more to add to the tales and histories.
That’s why I still think Awareness is another strong part in so many of these tales, because that takes it back to a mind/heart balance. And Awareness includes Awareness of more than oneself alone…
And yes, I know there are more challenges today and different interpretations of various cultural tales including updated versions written by members of local cultures to present the tales from their view now and their voices without interpreters.
And it’s a balance to present differences between cultures to show respect, kindness and understanding, while at the same time carefully finding common ground to also help with that communication and understanding. *care*
Stephen, That’s why I admire how you caught your students interest with the land of dreams. Very cool! You gave them something relatable on a common ground which helped open the discussion and lead it to mythic themes.
Sometimes, it feels as though today, we seek understanding through differences first. (and those can certainly be respected and celebrated!)
And there is a need, so we do not assume things about others. It seems a good idea to remember everyone has a different life experience. (Even different cultural experience.)
But to start communication with differences first could be challenging.
Even as the typical hero can be de-centralized…and we look towards community/s, it’s still complicated.
But that pull towards human connection, understanding, even common ground…things we have in common…it’s hard not to find appeal in universal connection. (Especially with all the tensions in the world)
So I’m kind of hoping (any New myth) will come from that heart center, which is everywhere.
Of course you can have people clamoring for all to happen at once or “we might never be part of a international space federation if we don’t all this this and this (and save the planet) hurry, hurry …All On Board.
Then there’s that one farmer: “I just want to plant my beans and be left in Peace.”
And someone like Thicht Hahn might surprise us by siding with the ornery farmer because the farmer was looking for Peace within.
So maybe the real test of any myth is being so busy with what it does or should look like…(appearance)
rather than experiencing it or seeing it for what it is even if it points beyond itself…
Transparent to Transcendence — Joseph Campbell
Or Thomas Merton to be “Alive and Awake” from When The Trees say Nothing.
And maybe that deeper heart awareness (kind of a Bodhisattva?) re-balances and re-vitalizes the mind awareness…
….but who knows?July 22, 2022 at 5:29 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74721
Reply to Stephen #7453
(and to All)
One of the things I find interesting about the “There and Back Again” journey in so many stories is that even if the protagonist/s goal is to return to their own village…
On the journey. the protagonists may walk through many other villages, communities and peoples.
In fact Bilbo’s “Burglar Quest” is on behalf of a different people: the dwarves. He goes along to help them reclaim their lost home from the dragon.
And LOTR brings together various peoples/characters in different kingdoms to stand against the darkness claiming the land and give a chance for the anti-boon to be destroyed.
But that brings up a curious thought:
The older idea of the “healing of the land. The wasteland around Camelot comes to mind but it’s certainly not the only story or tale where a sickness or blight in the land exists. (Yes back to Persephone’s time and others.)
What is interesting to me about the “healing of the land,” is the expansiveness of the idea and image both within and without the psyche.
(unless there is only one region of dead forest in the tale.)
One or many can go forth from their own village and return to their own villages after an adventure.
But in these tales, where a darkness or sickness is encroaching, appearing or lingering in the land (ie Mirkwood was not always spider infested used to be The Greenwood) …
In these tales it’s not just one village affected, it’s all… and it affects people and nature alike (an interconnection someone like author David Abrams might appreciate.)
So whereas a journey where one is focused on a return and integration into a particular community…
Now the fate of all is also tied into the land. And the idea of healing the land is tied into healing more than one community. Or at least breaking a spell.
It’s an interesting More Than…one thing alone perspective and such a journey does take More than one journeyer as well.
But sometimes, the answer is confounding: seemingly simple but also difficult.
The path to gain a boon or destroy an antiboon can be frought with uncertainty and second and 3rd guessing.
The inner voice is not always heard, when keeping up appearances drowns it out or when the insidious voice of The Ring clutches at
fears, desires, desperation AND hopeful dreams. The Ring tempts with False Light too. The illusion of a greater good. Boromir: “It is a gift!”
I know Campbell said the focus of myth would invariably be on man now. (Understood as humans.) And I understand that as focusing on the Here and Now.
Yet with the image of Spaceship earth, the Cosmos has not quite left us or our dreams. And Campbell understood that too.
What I find fascinating about the Healing of the land focus in older and newer stories is that these type of journey/s expand and include more than one village. Even though each village still retains importance in its own right.
The destruction of the One Ring of Power literally shows this.
And what astounds me is how this seemingly Old storyline of healing the land, is surprisingly close to the modern 20th/21st century and onward view of “spaceship earth,” and everyone on it.
Of course, it could be argued, that “land” was only understood as what a particular group village knew geographically around them at the time. (Looking from a literal perspective.)
But from a symbolic perspective. Land also can equal the world. Why I am partial to the idea of “Middle Earth.”
It takes it beyond “Middle Earth Village.” And there are those other realms at the edge of the horizon as well.
I think of the various Hobbits’ return from adventure that also acknowledge the other peoples’ story arcs. (Noting some characters like Faramir and Eowyn were fated to create a “new” home/kingdom in the watch place of Ithilien. (Not to mention a handful of elves.)
Frodo was UNABLE to stay for long, when he returned after the Toll of the Ring.
So SAM carries the Story forward into the next generations.
It’s both beautiful and bittersweet. And Sam points out everyone comes and goes in the story.
Bilbo’s adventure seems to me as much an inner quest as an outer one. And interestingly the experience of adventure itself (something Campbell would appreciate 😉 often seems to be part of the goal.
Yet, Bilbo’s village presumes him dead and attempts to sell his house.
So it’s more difficult to see any sort of boon on behalf of Hobbiton then. Except the boon of the knowledge passed onto the next generations. More so with Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin who all grow on their journeys. Frodo leaves, but he leaves the books behind passes them on to Sam, who is the next keeper of the tale. And Sam’s very humble and brave nature and his acts of kindness, prove he is a good keeper of the tale.
Except there is that business of “The Scouring of the Shire” and in THAT case the Four Hobbit Adventurers HELP FREE their village from Saruman in the form of Sharky. So they use the gift of all their experience and journeys to work together and help Hobbiton then. And Help the other hobbits to also stand ground and free hobbiton from a slightly disheveled and fallen from power Sorcerer.
On a side note: I wonder if the Baggins/Took energies could be thought of as sort of an internal twin quest?
The Homebody verses the Adventurer? After all, Bilbo keeps feeling each side pulling him on his quest. And even the Adventurer: “The Took” is split between “Foolish and Brave.” Fool of a Took! You will find your courage Peregrine Took.
Well, this is a Wander long enough to become lost. So to ground myself (Laugh) Gandalf’s words to Bilbo come to mind:
“You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!”
“Thank goodness!” said Bilbo laughing, and handed him the tobacco-jar.”
Love this! What a healthy way to return from all journeys!July 22, 2022 at 5:26 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74722
1st Reply to # 7453
Stephen was just thinking this too! Spaceship Earth. Wrote a post directed it in general to All but now will include as Reply and to All.
I apologize ahead of time for the long ramble in next post. (when it comes to Tolkien and his writings alas I become even more of an Ent ) But this is There and Back Again. So *shrug* laugh.
But recently have been thinking how the old tales (and new) of healing the land metaphorically take some stories into horizons beyond one village and how land can metaphorically equal world or earth. It is not Middle Earth Village…it’s Middle Earth.
Well better cut this one short as I’ll repeat what will be posted below.July 21, 2022 at 12:57 am in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74728
I like your questions and recent reply post to Robert. But wanted to give a chance for Robert to give you a reply there so that’s why I replied here. You ask very important questions about “inner community.” And allow the room for disagreement. Very refreshing!
I think Thai Nhat Hahn deals with both inner and outer community. His thoughts on “inter-being” resonate with me.
There is something highly lovely and welcoming about his gentle approach.
Honopohno (sp) is a lovely And/Both in another way…giving to others and community and that in turn heals something internal. In other words balance.
It’s always been interesting to see the different emphases given to various myths and stories. From Main Focus on Duty either individual or collective
Or Main Focus on instructional value
Or Focus on Compassion or Sacrifice
Or Discovery and Inspiration
Or Second Chances (or a Fall)
Its fascinating!July 20, 2022 at 11:57 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74730
Thanks Stephen. I agree with you.
I start a ramble and become lost myself. Did a quick re-do so could respond directly to Juan.July 20, 2022 at 11:32 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74731
Juan: without a circumstance, there is no hero.
Love that! It definitely helps de-center a limited motif! To put the emphasis on something outside-in, such as circumstance, helps give a different and maybe broader perspective.
I see the circumstance also as being a call to heroic groups, fellowships and communities as well.
Since Stephen titles this There and back again…brings the image to mind of Gandalf (ie in LOTR not Hobbit) saying: “You must choose what to do with the time that is given.”July 20, 2022 at 11:22 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74732
On a different note what about the journeyer who “freezes” “chokes?” The one who at the most critical time “fails?” Or stands-by…then later cannot forgive themselves for “standing-by?”
Instead of facing fear…the fear consumes them…they cannot move.
And if bad things happen in the aftermath of a Freeze? Then THAT would definitely change a journey arc.
I think there are more Stories that do address this over the years now.
But It would have been curious to see how or if Joseph Campbell would have addressed this.
It almost feels as though this is a struggle beyond releasing the ego.
In fact the Freeze itself seems to make make the character/person more likely to undervalue their worth than build up an ego. And there might not always be a happy resolution *care.*
But maybe I should wait until the month of the not so successful return before any further musing.July 20, 2022 at 10:27 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74734
Okay time for a re-edit.July 18, 2022 at 8:40 pm in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74740
Loving this! Your responses to me and Juan are so well expressed! Very clear.
And I know what you mean about de-centering the hero…Born of Water might be overlooked for Killer of Enemies.
The Spiritual quest counts too with or without action. And what of studies of human consciousness shared? When you are with people in celebration, sharing words to songs with strangers…or be still in a forest until it’s no longer a background but a presence…or look to the stars. There has to be More than…that’s what I thought Transcendence was about.
The journeyer or journeyers are the ones who become Aware (and that’s not necessarily a muscular thing but more of a Consciousness thing)
I understand the need to look at the “distribution” end of the quest but I prefer your choice of words “integration.” The Spiritual aspects of the quests are ignored for a physical resolution. A more intellectual resolution. You mention the inner work people might do…it begins with one man…
What about the journey of a Thomas Merton and Thicht Nhat Hahn? Both very much part of communities but also with their own awakening within. And look at the ripples they caused beyond their own communities. A reintegration of the spiritual in the physical world. Another And/Both.
You are right, The focus on the muscular hero or the greedy treasure and fame hunter has dimmed other journeys. Of course Set Quests can draw all types…and the greedy and power seeking may jump at that chance.
The village compound and collective journeys seem to understand direct action best. And sometimes that is what is called for…but what fascinates me is sometimes the instructions the village provides to find/acquire a boon may not always be applicable in the forest adventurous or equivalent. A different awareness may be needed or learned. Unless the story follows the letter of a given structure.
So this gives me the idea of Myth itself being a trickster! A character outside of all the journeyers and characters. Sort of an outside in view. And for certain myth could cause mayhem and havoc! It does have a way of bucking at the gates sometimes…but maybe Myth can also be a trickster by providing a different path or way to the boon and providing that outside of the village bounds and ways.
Now that could definitely complicate things. Not the way of ego of a mad scientist or blood thirsty warrior but of realization. Myth as holy fool.
I think dawning of awareness though beautiful can be hard sometimes in a world that values action and intellectual reasoning…not that there are not values there but those other parts of the stories tied into intuition or even spontaneous compassion might be overlooked or dismissed.
It would seem to be about finding a balance.July 18, 2022 at 4:57 am in reply to: THERE and BACK AGAIN,” with MythBlast author Stephen Gerringer” #74745
Appropriate title with “The Rings of Power” dawning in September on Amazon.