March 13, 2021 at 3:07 am #73170R³Participant
How do those feet differ from clay feet ?
R³March 13, 2021 at 4:00 am #73169
They don’t!!!March 24, 2021 at 4:37 pm #73168
Hi jufa, thank you for the inspiration to cause my definition of ‘clay feet’ and how having clay feet does not deal with reality.
Because myths are pointers to transcendence, they are made of the clay of borrowed thought. And in order to have one’s borrowed clay feet transformed into spiritual feet of original thought, one must desire with all one’s being to go beyond one’s pointers to reality to step into one’s reality so as to become one’s reality. In a nutshell, clay is inert, spirit is alive.
In relation to the metaphor of Plato’s cave, those with clay feet have not yet gone within the intellectual darkness of consciousness to realize they are the causal light of every form of which they are aware.
I do not know if Joseph Campbell himself stepped out of his clay feet, but his philosophy of ‘being transparent (by way of myth) to the transcendent’ suggests that he had not. What Campbell’s idea of transparency suggests to me is that he was an intellectual rather than an experiential mystic. As I understand the role of Campbell in relation to the journey to discover one’s true identity as the light of infinite causation, he was a maverick of moving human consciousness past its conventional and narrow viewpoint of identification with the ego of self-centeredness. And in having accomplished this task of consciousness expansion, he accomplished his soul purpose.
I am answering your post to hopefully cause the readers to consider going beyond
Campbell’s idea of being transparent to the transcendent and instead, to experience being transcendent.March 24, 2021 at 4:42 pm #73167
I am returning to point out that I am aware that my thoughts above are pointers just as were Campbell’s myths pointers. My hope is that they are lighter and subtler and for those who can hear them that they act as a metaphysical nudge to go beyond every pointer.March 25, 2021 at 2:50 pm #73166Stephen GerringerKeymaster
I don’t believe Campbell would take issue with your assessment, given this statement of his:
I’m not a mystic, in that I don’t practice any austerities, and I’ve never had a mystical experience. So I’m not a mystic. I’m a scholar, and that’s all.
I remember when Alan Watts one time asked me, ‘Joe, what yoga do you practice?’ I said, ‘I underline sentences.’ And that’s all I’m doing. My discipline is taking heavy notes and correlating everything I read with everything else I’ve read. I have nine drawers full of notes, and I have four more packed down in the cellar that I can’t get another piece of paper in. For 40 years I’ve taken notes on these materials that seemed to me to be opening the picture to my mind.”
(from an interview with Jeffrey Mishlove)March 25, 2021 at 11:28 pm #73165
Movingalways, and Stephen Gerringer, thank you for responding sincerely. I asked myself what can be proved, or validated in individual or collective minds of mankind concerning what has been the experience of awareness? Individual experiences sought to be proved or validated are only relative to individual experience and knowledge. In time, there has always been the Wise men who took people one step closer to the awakening Word. But cognitive validation of what these Wise men have projected to other minds cannot be authenticated by human knowledge, mediums, tarot cards, numerology, psychology, denominational and non-denominational churches, cults, myth, or any material law which have not reached beyond the mind into the invisible where all creation originate. This does not leave out the faith healers, shamans, gurus, priests, and scholars of theology, nor those who claim to be privileged to God. When it comes down to the reality of awakening, there is no one who can speak about their revelation with understanding except the revelator. There is no one who can message understandable details of their relation except the revelator. It is a mistake for those who have feet of iron and part clay to believe Christ’s, or Buddha’s transcendental revelation, or message cannot be conceived by the human mind.
In stepping forward, when Spirit enters into this parenthesis of flesh, It must find an authority the conceived can believe in when it is awakened to flesh senses. Once this entering Spirit occupies an entity of flesh, it awoke to the illusion of time, space, distance and three dimensional matter which clothed the entity with dual mindsets. Once the conceived acknowledge these dual traits, it becomes covered with the spirits of the earth, and will need the guidance of Christ to find justice and mercy in the forest of human thoughts to keep it on the straight and narrow path so its feet, and mentality does not morph into iron and clay, and its consciousness does not become partial, and its mind possessive of things which does not belong to it. This is why men are told “in all thy ways, acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths…leave the stump of the roots in the earth.”
Should any individual acknowledge these event heretofore mentioned to be a true, this begs the question where, and who, and what, when, and why would one keep believing entering into the darkness of condensation, where limitation placed them in the snake pit of the illusion of hell, can be found outside of themselves?March 26, 2021 at 4:51 pm #73164
movingalways I don’t believe Campbell would take issue with your assessment, given this statement of his:
“I’m not a mystic, in that I don’t practice any austerities, and I’ve never had a mystical experience. So I’m not a mystic. I’m a scholar, and that’s all. I remember when Alan Watts one time asked me, ‘Joe, what yoga do you practice?’ I said, ‘I underline sentences.’ And that’s all I’m doing. My discipline is taking heavy notes and correlating everything I read with everything else I’ve read. I have nine drawers full of notes, and I have four more packed down in the cellar that I can’t get another piece of paper in. For 40 years I’ve taken notes on these materials that seemed to me to be opening the picture to my mind.” (from an interview with Jeffrey Mishlove)
Thank you for your reply Stephen, as it illuminates my judgment of Campbell in relation to jufa’s post about clay feet not dealing with reality. By Joe’s own words, he had not yet stepped through the transcendent picture of reality that was opening in his mind to realize its absolute or spiritual nature, which of course, ultimately, would have been realized to be the nature of himself as the “I am” or the “I will”.
Had JC taken this step into the spiritual Absolute and named it as such, I believe he would have (eventually) stopped identifying with the temporal world of myth and metaphor.
To illustrate my point of where Joe ‘just fell short’ of realizing his invisible I am/I will was the light of all of this thoughts therefore he need not cling to any one thought, I am including this quotation from his interview with Bill Moyer about the first noble truth of Buddhism:
“All life is sorrowful,” is the first Buddhist saying, and it is. It wouldn’t be life if there were not temporality involved, which is sorrow, loss, loss, loss.”
I can’t speak to how immersed Joe became with the doctrines of Buddhism, but while it is true that the first noble truth is that the life of dualities is sorrow, the fourth noble truth clearly states how suffering (sorrow) is to be brought to an end: “Now this, bhikkhus, is the noble truth of the way leading to the cessation of suffering: it is this noble eightfold path; that is, right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.”
Joseph Campbell’s right intuition of myth identification as being the ‘state of transparency’ is for many (including myself) a necessary preparatory step that enables one to become strong and stable enough to leave all thought identification behind. Jufa mentioned the metaphor of the Christ in his answer to both of us, a perfect example of the way in which wisdom operates by way of identification transcendence to bring one out of their earth mentality to realize the truth of their spiritual/absolute nature. If one considers the myth of “Jacob’s Ladder of Ascension”, the metaphor of the Christ (or the Buddha) represents the transparent self standing on the top rung waiting to step off…
Stepping off the top rung of the ladder of transcendence identification into the invisibility of ones unconditioned nature is the ‘final’ stage of the Hero’s journey, and thanks to the illuminated spirits such as Joseph Campbell, breadcrumbs of light have been dropped to light the way to make what is deeply psychologically conditioned in us (beliefs we take to be truths) unto what is subtly conditioned is us (myths and metaphors of light). In the bible, this way of being gradually unconditioned is revealed as the wisdom “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little.” (Isaiah 28:10, KJV).March 26, 2021 at 6:55 pm #73163
Thank you as well for your reply jufa. I have read your words and see that their wisdom is an expansion of the original wisdom you gave us in your original post, that is: “The reality of Spirit forms exists beyond identification of the human mind.”
It is not an easy road to come to accept the wisdom of Spirit forms spoken into existence of the absolute I Am of “let there be light”. The pull to identify with form thereby blocking the vertical, non-identified creative act of Spirit is a powerful one as it is how we are conditioned to react to our environment from birth. We receive an “A+” or an “F” on our report card and instead of realizing it is a grading mechanism required by the school of building up the human ego that, in truth, does not exist, we cling to that form and believe it refers to our actual nature and we become prideful or shameful (hello illusory ego).
This is but one example of uncountable examples of man falling into the trap of believing the forms he sees on the screen of his mind refer to who or what he is, so it is not difficult to see just how challenging it is to undo one’s conditioning to indoctrination to the dual mindset. You mention the Christ as the guide of awakening to go beyond the dual mindset, which for me, is one of the ways Spirit Wisdom is personified or made concrete as a thought in order to assist Man as he becomes used to walking without clay feet.March 26, 2021 at 11:56 pm #73162
You are thoroughly welcomed Movingalways, for no one talks anymore.
Everyone who’s familiar with The Wizard of Oz realizes the characters in it were eventually shown the reality of that which they were seeking when they made a startling revelation of seeing themselves concerning themselves. So, then, the reality beyond morphing god humanly is always needed here. Also needed is patience, strength, and courage, as Ps.27:14 tells us: “Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.”
Consequently the core, it would appear, of our acceptance or denial is fear and ostracizing. After years of being antagonized, those sincere learn resilience. It takes a resilience, unyielding stance to break the chain of filibuster which prolongs one need to “be strong in the Lord, and the power of his might.” Within this strength, the strong speaking out . They take a stand which every individual living, in fear, need to do with an unyielding earnest desire to step out of the clutch of the god of this world’s mentality, into the substance and essence of THAT “without father, without mother, without decent, having neither beginning of day nor end of life.” Each step one takes to be free of the clay of the earth has to start by comprehending the myth of God being a man is the metaphor which deceives.
Man’s Anthropomorphic godMarch 27, 2021 at 7:30 pm #73161
The truth is that the light of wisdom and truth of one’s absolute and omnipresent causal spirit nature remains hidden in the darkness of its ignorance until one gathers unto themselves enough conscious spiritual energy to face the darkness to uncover the truth of what is hidden there.
This gradual awakening is expressed in the bible via the contrasting experiences of Solomon of the Old Testament and Paul and John of the New Testament. Where Solomon knew the Lord of all things as a hidden person, a ‘he’ (the myth of God as a man), Paul knew the Lord of all things as the (impersonal) hidden law of the Spirit life in Christ Jesus and John, who had attained the final realization of his true nature knew “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last”.
It is our task to arrive as did John, one step at at a time, to the top of the mountain and myth making is a part of this climb. But it does help to know that dependence on thought of any kind to define one’s being eventually comes to an end.March 28, 2021 at 1:20 am #73160
There are many individual who have garnered the reality of “God’s Oath of Confirmation” and obedience to the “…one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren,” who “learned to be pitiful, courteous, not rendering evil for evil,…knowing that ye are called to this, that ye should inherit a blessing” as John of Patmos received the ministry of Christ to be continued on earth through him. John 19:26,27 “When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.” John was so high in consciousness poison, nor being put in boiling oil had any affect on him.
And although John was stranded on the Isle of Patmos, he had his own disciple who sat and learned from him. This is the mission of those who find the mystical key of life. Those who realize we are not here to seek human betterment for human benefits, but to find our permanent identity and our place in the bosom of Spirit where there are no boundaries, limits, conditions, levels, stages, degrees, or realms of hindrance existing anywhere in the world and universe of the human mind but those which the mind itself places there.
We made a Promise Covenant with God that should He allow us to descend we would restore our minds to the harmony of our universe, world, and earth, and give light to all who stepped into our aura. Our mission is ascension, and Ascension can only be accomplished when we realize its “not robbery to be equal with God.” Phil.2:6. To acquire an understanding our Soul realization is to step into the Spirit of Soul by giving up the ghost spirit, the feet of clay (ego) walking, lurking in our flesh, so we can be lifted up consciously into “Christ in him, his hope of glory.”
[See…The Revelation, Author: John – chapter One The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,”]
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