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    Jung set the groundwork for it, Campbell basically developed the whole idea, and Krippner made it into a viable practice.

    But Campbell played such an integral role I was surprised to not see a main topic here to discuss it. If you aren’t sure what I mean, Personal Mythology is more or less the practice of working with your life stories (myths). You might do this for self discovery, improvement, to overcome traumas, or other reasons.

    The topic is fascinating though as it unlocks a slew of highly metaphorical information about ourselves: when have you taken on the role of the warrior? In what ways have you been searching for the Holy Grail? Have you ever unknowingly acted out the myth of the hoarding dragon?

    Is anyone else here interested in Personal Mythology?


      Greetings and a hearty welcome to the forums Sidian. Stephen Gerringer our chief moderator should stop by at some point to give you a few pointers; (alas the site is undergoing a few modifications concerning topical arrangements); but nothing to be concerned about; just reorganizing some things. He will be able to advise you in more depth concerning your question about Personal Myth; but I’ll offer a few things that might be of help in the meantime.

      Actually there is quite a bit of information concerning your query that dives deep into this subject because; yes; as your have suspected it is definitely a major theme of Joseph’s; but I’ll let Stephen address this aspect in more detail when he can stop by for a friendly chat.

      One way to think about this term if I may offer is: “your story”. Well you probably figured that out by now; huh! But in Jungian parlance; which is a somewhat different approach than that of mythical themes and a somewhat of different way to approach this; I’m going to suggest a couple of places to help get you started in the meantime.

      In the above section called Creative Mythology there is a short topic thread that has some conversations you might like; plus a very good clip of Joseph explaining the Jungian approach of what he called: “the Left Hand Path” of the hero quest; and the topic about your story is discussed in the bottom thread of this category. I think you’ll like this one a lot because it’s quick and jumps right into it. But for a couple of deeper dives up in the MythBlast section there are two different threads with Dennis Patrick Slattery that explore this theme in much more depth. (These are at the top of the forum page with his name on them so you should have no problem finding them.)

      One word of caution should be mentioned for first time users of these forums is “discussion navigation” if the topic has several participants engaged; and that is pay special attention to which person you are reading because the entries will follow that particular individual concerning what is being addressed and “who is talking to who”. (Sounds confusing but actually you will get the hang of it shortly; just watch the entry number and sequence as you scroll up and down the page; and the indention of the particular person being addressed.) Stephen can help you with this once he comes by. I would start with the Story thread just to get the hang of things; and then as your interest and familiarity with the format increases you’ll probably begin to feel more comfortable with everything.

      One last suggestion if you feel adventurous is on the border to your left you will see a red button that says: “Visit the COAHO Archives”. Click on that and it will take you to the older version of the original forums; which are now archived; (but not available to post in); these contain a wealth of older material; and yes; contain an entire category devoted especially to “Personal Mythology”. These forums contain literally thousands of entries so you can wander them to your hearts content; (you just can’t enter anything because they are now retired and out of commission). Enjoy.

      So kick your shoes off and get relaxed and have spin around the place. You are among friends; and we’re glad to have you here.



      Uncovering the personal myth playing out in our lives, which may differ dramatically from what we think or want our myth to be, is indeed the genius of Joseph Campbell’s mythological perspective. Though the giants in the field who preceded Joseph Campbell studied myth to understand other cultures and add to human knowledge, he was one of the first to grasp that mythology has relevance in our lives today (building on that foundation Jung laid).

      I have met a few in the field of mythology who look askance at the idea of personal mythology. One scholar with a depth psychology orientation recently suggested that the concept of personal myth deceptively provides “honey-sweet ‘positive’ content for our lives”; his criticism is that one adopts a personal myth (as if it’s a conscious choice), which he sees as no more than a pleasant lie we tell ourselves.

      Many of the same critics have no trouble with Jung’s recognition, after writing Symbols of Transformation, that he did not know by what myth he was living, and they applaud his subsequent determination “to get to know ‘my’ myth,” which he regarded “as my tasks of tasks . . . I simply had to know what unconscious or preconscious myth was forming me, from what rhizome I sprang.”

      Nevertheless, even though Jung uses  the term “personal myth” several times in Memories, Dreams, Reflections, and elsewhere, in the exact same way as does Campbell, some (though far from all) I know with a Jungian bent dismiss the term, preferring to refer to this  exclusively as the “process of individuation,” or “the symbolic life” – terms which also apply – but the  implication is that Jung’s approach is distinct from Campbell’s perspective.

      I suspect that is based on the perception (or perhaps projection might be the more appropriate term) that “personal mythology” has become a New Age mantra – sparkly, glittering, “honey-sweet,” and lacking in intellectual rigor.

      That is far from my understanding and experience of the process of uncovering and plumbing the mythological dynamics driving and shaping my life, which turn out to be at odds with my ego perspective. “Investigating the subjective contents which are the products of unconscious processes . . . to explore the manifestations of the unconscious” (again borrowing from Jung’s description of his personal myth) can be uncomfortable and emotionally wrenching – not at all the “happy happy joy joy” misunderstanding some critics have of what they think Campbell means by personal mythology.

      Your original post landed just days before we planned to unveil this new forum category, “Exploring Your Personal Mythology.” We’ve moved yours and a few relevant threads from other categories into this forum, but your comment is the one that most specifically addresses the topic. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.


        SidianMSJones; now that Stephen has provided a more comprehensive introduction to your query and has provided a more re-organized reformatting of the forums your search may be a bit easier to seek out some of the answers concerning your own personal myth, or story you may want to research. It is of course “personal to you” as the motif or template suggests; but no matter how you frame it there are certain ideas that may be helpful in finding your own pathway through your journey.

        As you have no doubt encountered there are varying points of interpretation of what constitutes this concept as Stephen has offered; and in particular one that most often gets misunderstood is this: “Follow Your Bliss” theme and a what it has to do with what a myth is in relation to this idea of the: Hero/Quest/Journey and it’s relationship to Jung’s ideas. And indeed Joseph was quoted as saying: “I should have said: “Follow your blisters”; so that should give you some sense of how he viewed this very deep personal process of psychological and spiritual transformation within a human lifetime.

        So as you start exploring I’m going to provide a link to an older piece introduced by our former Jungian moderator; Cindy Bias; back on the earlier forums that helped clear up some of the ambiguity people often encounter with this subject. It was written in 1986 by: Donald Kalsched and Alan Jones called; “Myth and Psyche: The Evolution of Consciousness”; which should go a long way in helping to bridge the confusion between Campbell and Jung and how their ideas line up. There are lots of places to start; depending of what interests you; so it should be easier now to pick something when you’re ready.

        Stephen’s explanation was just wonderful and I don’t see how it could be improved on; so back to your request we’ll look forward to hearing from you or anyone else who has thoughts they might want to share.


        Just an FYI, James – from the context I don’t believe SidianMSJones necessarily has questions about personal myth – it’s just a fascinating subject worth discussing, and he has much to share on the subject. The questions he does ask are the kind that elicit self-reflection – definitely a good place to start (after all, every question does begin with a quest).

        So how would you answer those questions? What have you discovered about the mythological imagery underpinning your life?

        Hercules was the hero and demi-god I most wanted to emulate as a child (and later, as I was introduced to Norse myths, Thor). There weren’t as many widely recognized superheroes in those days (at least, not for any kid who didn’t have access to the pages of Marvel and DC Comics), and Hercules, as portrayed on big screen and small, was always in the thick of the action, rescuing others. This superficial portrayal ignored the huge shadow he cast – all those weaknesses and flaws. Apollo, too, was a being I admired.

        It is intriguing, though, that I kept coming back to Athena, whose practical wisdom makes her the patron goddess of civilization. Learning was my first love as a lad, and remains so today, so no surprise Athena continued to speak to me long after my hero worship of Herakles and Apollo had worn off; though I pretty much ignored Hermes as a child, over time his mythology made an ever deeper impression.

        Of course, that’s just the Greek pantheon, as filtered through Golden Book encyclopedias and, later, Bullfinch’s mythology – which is just one expression of the mythological forces in play. But that theme – learning, meaning, esoteric knowledge, and wisdom – continues to command my attention.

        Yet that’s just my conscious perception. Over time, I found myself embracing the shadow side of those archetypal figures – emotional energies, chaos, disruption, a love of intoxication (not so much adult beverages, but psychedelics, and the intoxication that comes with poetry and art), so Dionysus entered the mix (as, eventually, did Shiva).

        That’s just a little snapshot of what ultimately proved a deep dive so many decades ago (though a continuing process yet today). These deities from different cultures allowed me to put a name to it – many names – though they are but masks for the mythological forces at play in my life.

        In my writing, I am at my best when Hermes and Dionysus collaborate, or are at least in balance – but that’s another story.


          Well that does changed everything in my response doesn’t it? For me there are a lot of things I can reference to what you asked. The first book my grandmother use to read to me was about the “Gods and Heros” of ancient Greece; (in storybook form of course). There they all were in magnificent display when I would go visit my very favorite building in the city: the “Parthenon”. Throughout my life that place has been a source of wonder and still is to this very day. So Stephen not only are we on the same page; but it was not by chance that Joseph’s work affected me so profoundly. And when it came time for me to assimilate his separation between concretizing the Christian mythos and using it metaphorically the walls came tumbling down as it were; and the understanding of what a “personal” as opposed to a public myth involving it’s interpretation was concerned the whole world’s mythos was opened up.

          I had had previous exposures to Eastern ideas; such as Buddhism and the Tao; but sitting Zazen on the floor in deep contemplative meditation was not my idea of enlightenment at the time. Fortunately I came across someone named Stephen Gaskin whose Monday Night Classes in San Francisco became a major source of understanding and integrating eastern and western ideas and showed some of their connections in an understandable way; but my individual (personal) journey involved a much more psychological approach because of what I had experienced in my past and continued on into adulthood until Joseph’s introduction into Jungian concepts began to unlock these closed doors.

          The untying of my Gordian Knot began to unfold because Joseph could weave all three of these concepts into one thread; as it were; so that realizing what the Labyrinth represented was not just something you read about in ancient history class; but your own psyche; and that dealing with the Minotaur has to do with assimilating your own dark side. The Shadow, the persona, the anima/animus, and the ego along with the many other working components within your own inner world and how you navigate the outer one and finding meaning was the “Call” of direction I so desperately needed to go. And my realization of this began to open up understanding that this process happens throughout the course of a human lifetime as opposed to going through life on a treadmill of mere day to day existence and that it’s an ongoing process called individuation that lasts until we die. This was not the Christian concretized version but the mythological metaphorical one.

          Joseph explained how all these cultural themes from the ancient myths from different time periods and their ideas fit together and were all part of this wonderous/nightmare interplay we call life. He also helped you to understand that this was not a destination called Heaven where all the Gods lived; but that it’s all right in front of you if you can just pull back the veil and see it. Your journey or passage through these various stages are part of a larger mosaic that never ends because it’s all one thing enclosed within a universe incomprehensible in size and magnitude. And your goal or quest is to realize the uniqueness of who and what you are within this context from birth to death; and your participation in it instead of withdrawal from it. And that I got from Joseph and not a guru or a priest; but out of your own experience. The most important idea; at least to me anyway; is that: “you are the one who gets to decide what the meaning of that is; and to appreciate the journey along the way.

          Sorry for the earlier confusion about this. Perhaps others will care to join in with their ideas on “Personal Myth”.


          Well what a fortunate turn of events! The new forum topic seems a great addition.

          And yes, I’m very well versed in Personal Mythology. Stanley Krippner is my co-author over a couple books and we’ve spent a great deal of time discussing Personal Mythology and then more recently collaborating on a Personal Mythology project which I’ll refrain from naming for the sake of not coming across spammy. The aim though is to provide a place where personal myths can be posted, shared, and collected, and also to build the biggest encyclopedia of meanings and symbolism in the world! We like to call ourselves the Myth Keepers, because why not mythologize such a grand undertaking :)?

          I feel I am still early in my quest to learn Campbell’s material. Stanley’s I am well acquainted with since he was my teacher, but Campbell I find difficult because his works seem to jump around from thought to thought so much. Way too similar to my own style of thinking which means that while reading him I become lost in daydream at every sentence!

          Well, thank you so much for adding the forum topic. I hope to contribute to that ‘quest’. Personal Mythology is my life’s work so it is a bit rejuvenating to find more like minds on the topic.


          Greetings Sidian MSJones.

          Sidian wrote, “The topic is fascinating though as it unlocks a slew of highly metaphorical information about ourselves: when have you taken on the role of the warrior? In what ways have you been searching for the Holy Grail? Have you ever unknowingly acted out the myth of the hoarding dragon?

          Is anyone else here interested in Personal Mythology?

          I am Sidian, very much so, and as Stephen wrote, “Investigating the subjective contents which are the products of unconscious processes . . . to explore the manifestations of the unconscious” (again borrowing from Jung’s description of his personal myth) can be uncomfortable and emotionally wrenching – not at all the “happy happy  joy joy” misunderstanding some critics have of what they think Campbell means by personal mythology.

          That’s it, Sidian,  exploring my personal myth is not “happy happy joy joy’ for me, and sometimes I am not sure whether I am looking at my personal myth from “inside looking out” or “outside looking in”. But it’s a friend’s  story/myth that had me quite taken. Talk about searching the “Holy Grail” — To me it appeared a myth of  “unconditional love”

          No matter how difficult, no matter how trying, she was on the side of “unconditional love”.   Then one day,  Joe Campbell’s quote freed her from her ‘old personal myth’, and she had a soft landing into a ‘new personal myth’. By the way, I was recently acquainted with this term ‘old personal myth’ vs. ‘new personal myth’ through Prof. Dennis Slattery’s presentation called “Belief as Myth”.  A fascinating presentation, where in the Q&A session he reflected on a few questions, one being, ‘how do we know that we have come to the end of one myth, and need to move onto a next one?”  But I digress, because my intention here is to share the old myth story vs. the new myth story.

          Here is a brief glimpse, (without names)

          Her father was a banker, and her mother a fixer of all things, from furniture to linen, from doors and window sills and all others in between. Her mother could fix furniture like none other in business. This I know because I now own three hand-polished chairs from Kirkland Lake, hand scrubbed, re-polished and hand stained to a silky satin finish by her mother.

          By and by, as she got older, she began to question the culture of the place, the place of women, especially smart women in it. She observed the condition of the mine-workers, working for pittance, in the gold mines owned by Mr. Oaks.  Their plight is well illustrated in this 2002 article,

          An accident in a mine is usually sudden. Hard rock, steel and blasting powder are not considerate of soft flesh and brittle bone. Death in most cases is gruesome, lonely, painful, bloody or suffocating. Death in a mine is not gentle.[i]

          As she grew, so did her longing to fix the condition of the mine workers around her. She took it upon herself to talk to the ladies, and make them question their despondent state and misery.

          In school, she wrote fascinating stories, and perhaps poetry too. Her writings were rich with words that she had collected and sewn together for a dramatic effect on listeners and especially her teachers. She thought of the many widows, left behind, and the cruel and most ugly treatment delivered to their families.

          The teachers never expected her to write so well, so instead of empowering her with more challenging work, they politely hid their admiration in a way that was natural to them. And on her side, she hid her talents in the service of modesty and humility.

          One can well imagine from these brief glimpses into her life, as to the direction it would take.  She was no longer interested in Kirkland Lake because it lacked music and it lacked life.  Music was one thing that stirred her little world, and each time she had enough left over from all her benevolent activities, she would run over to a local store and buy a new LP.

          Once while running to the store for a LP,  she met a young woman in distress, and from then onward, she made sure that her own pockets were full so as to be of help to her and all others living through some sad misadventure. She ensured that  her personal pocket funds were enough for five or six different families. Now you can well imagine her collection of people and places that needed her attention in Kirkland Lake. With such a kind heart and gentle ways, she also attracted many suitors.

          Among her suitors, there was one handsome lad named “B….”, and he couldn’t help admiring her, couldn’t help loving her, he couldn’t help gifting her with flowers when she was far away.  Even though she made it clear, that she was far too independent to be just ‘someone’s wife’, he harbored the deepest sentiments for her. When she left Kirkland Lake to live in London, England, he was broken-hearted, but he comforted himself by sending her a dozen red roses a week.

          Fast forward into 2020:  Now in her senior years, she found herself quite burned and scorched through years of sacrifice she realized she could not deliver that ‘unconditional love’, without injuring herself. Yet she hung onto her “Holy Grail”. Then one day, (2021) while surfing the net, she came across Joe’s words,

          I personally don’t even think that unconditional love is an ideal. I think you’ve got to have a discriminating faculty and let bastards be bastards and let those that ought to be hit in the jaw get it. In fact, I have a list. If anybody has a working guillotine, I’d be glad to give them my list.”
          A Joseph Campbell Companion

          That was the end of her old myth, and beginning of a new one. The discriminating faculty is working towards a new adventure. Here again,  I am reminded of what Dennis said in his presentation, “you know that the old myth is dying when you can’t do much anymore..”

          Shaahayda (with gratitude to all who participate here)




          Wonderfully written and an ample account of the secret life of personal mythology that shifts the plates we play our lives upon.


          Hi, Sidean MSJon and Everyone,

          I am deeply interested in personal myth; before I knew of a term or name for it, I sensed personal myth’s presence in my life and could see this type of thing in operation in the lives of my family members and friends. Too, surely, some of this was the myths we lived together. As a writer, musician, and Jungian, all the things I love tend to myths and to those myths like stories and song and dance within my personal myth.

          As a child I ran the woods around my house by the lake, and it was kind of like a fairy tale existence for me and my friends. I was lucky to have a mom who loved the arts and all things culture, so she took me to the library twice a week before I could even read and all though my early years until I could go myself. She was musical and played piano and organ and noted I was musical so made sure I had piano and dance lessons. Oh and because we lived by one of the Great Lakes she also made sure I had swimming lessons. My dad loved folklore and folk music and cartoons and telling stories. I was fortunate to have a charmed childhood. But that does not mean everything always came up roses. There is also poison ivy in the woods and ships and boats sometimes wrecked. But whether about the happy and glad or the sad I wrote things down, including my nighttime dreams. I wrote about owls I heard or turtles I found in the yard by the pond. I wrote my first poem in kindergarten. It went like this:


          I found a frog

          sitting on a log

          and chased it but lost it

          because there was fog.


          Ever since I was a child I have loved studying ancient cultures and their myths and folklore from around the world, and the arts. My best memories in life are the books I have read, the films I have seen, the songs I have learned, and the dances. And then my times out in nature. That is true to this day. It to me is like a reel of film of my life story entwined with movies and theater and ballet, with the music throughout my life the soundtrack of my life. I spend most my life and time writing about my personal myth in the form of poetry, fiction, and creative non-fiction. As a writer by vocation (yes, at one time I did write for a living in A & E and community/human interest stories and moonlighting as an adjunct prof teaching writing) and a Jungian, I am very much about personal myth. I always say that the word myth as a word scramble is thym—thyme, or time. The myths emit in time and time emits through the myths and thus is the spice of life within its time and goes down in time. And here in thym, we can see half the word rhythm.

          As Stephen  brought up, some people do say that personal myths and memoir allow us to sugar coat the past if we want to, but not everyone does this. I have mostly good memories and they are true memories; however, I do not sweep all dust under the rug either, and recognize the difficult or sad things from my past also.

          I will later add another post response about what characters and/or situations from classical or non-classical mythology I feel akin to in living their/that myth.

          All for now, with gratitude for this lovely fun and personable topic,





          I have myself never heard a Jungian substitute the conceptual term individuation for the conceptual term personal myth, though they are related and to whatever extent entwined. I would be interested in seeing any references you have where I could see Jungians doing this. I can also imagine that some people might do this and understand how or why it might be easy (and perhaps lazy?) for some to do so.

          Individuation is described very well by Jungian analyst Daryl Sharp, whose Jungian lexicon I have sometimes referenced in my posts here in the forums. (I also find much practical use for it in daily life). First and foremost, in its most general umbrella meaning, Sharp defines it as “a process of psychological differentiation, having for its goal the development of the individual personality [emphasis mine]. To me this is a reminder that there would be little to no individuation without the differentiation aspect within its dynamics. Jung was also careful to warn people against over-identifying with any one mythic character because the archetype itself is so much larger than we are. Again, we need to differentiate between the god we feel our lives embody and our own ego, lest we have a bunch of people running around the streets proclaiming to be Jesus in his second coming–Sharp goes on to express that, “it is the development of the psychological individual as a being distinct from the general, collective psychology.” Reading the rest of Sharp’s definitive essay, one can do their best to try to apply this differentiation process towards one’s personal mythological process. Another vital concept within individuation is dreams. Jung said/wrote that dreams are the royal road to the unconscious, and while we cannot say that knowing the unconscious (bringing the unconscious to light of day or consciousness) is the only factor in individuation, it is part of the process when we do dreamwork and also our work upon our complexes–when we find what buttons push our behaviors. By paying attention and working with our dreams so as to understand them (to whatever point or extent one finds possible and we have to remember that there can be multiple meanings to any one dream) we grant ourselves a grand favor.

          Perhaps in this thread we could take some time to unravel  then list differentiations we can make in whatever ways we each do so–or discuss what this concept of differentiation means to us and how it plays out in each our lives and possibly then examine too how these could differ from the collective–and apply this to our personal myths (to include our dreams, I suggest).

          As for the symbolic life,  I am one of those Jungians who does not equate what is called the symbolic life with individuation either, although I regard symbols as a key to the many doors on the “path of individuation.” I was not aware that some Jungians substitute these terms, either. I would like to see where this has been written or hear where this has been said, too. Would be interesting!



          Source:  Retrieved from The Jung Lexicon by Daryl Sharp



          That’s good to hear, Marianne!

          The first time I heard it described that way was in a MythBlast this spring, and again referenced in passing in the follow-up COHO conversation after I pointed out Campbell’s usage of personal myth wasn’t “honey-sweet” pablum, but was grounded in Jung describing and doing the same. “Individuation” and “the symbolic life” were both referenced in the response to my post.

          But since then I’ve had a conversation with a different individual, a practicing psychologist who expressed similar discomfort with the term “personal myth.” He didn’t so much substitute terms, but just dismissed the idea of personal myth as a distraction from the hard work of individuation.

          I don’t believe either individual has trouble with the process Campbell advocates, which again mirrors Jung’s experience; their argument is with the term itself. Seems “personal myth” suffers from the same popular misconceptions as “follow your bliss” – many touchy-feelie New Age adherents seem to have embraced that as a magic mantra, a sort of “choose your own myth and make it so” approach. Campbell himself had a problem with that. Here is a response to a question he was asked by John Lobell in an unpublished interview:

          We have a lot of those, and the women who suddenly discover the goddess, they know all about the mythology of Greece and Rome and everything within all of 20 minutes, because they are themselves “the goddess” and they know by intuition all these things.   I had two lectures last night from two women who grabbed me at a party and talked me to death . . . on this subject.”

          I suspect those who dismiss “personal myth” are really expressing their discomfort with popular misunderstandings of what Campbell means (much the same as Jordan Peterson’s antipathy toward the idea of “following your bliss” – what he describes isn’t how Joe uses the term, but how some lazy thinkers believe about it; turns out he reinforces those misconceptions, and is a bit of a lazy thinker himself, as he too misunderstood Campbell on this point).

          I too have trouble with that – but I don’t see the solution as dropping the concepts of “personal myth” (or “follow your bliss”), but to go to greater lengths to clarify what Joseph Campbell meant.


          Hi Everyone,

          Just wanted to mention that there is a Campbell audio lecture about personal mythology called “Personal Myth” (1.4.5).



          Do you happen to have a link to that Dennis Slattery presentation you mentioned?


          Thank you Lynn. I  just downloaded the lecture, and hope to contribute some more, if I can. Thank you all for the awesome contributions. So much to learn and absorb just on this topic.

          Thank you Stephen, ” I suspect those who dismiss “personal myth” are really expressing their discomfort with popular misunderstandings of what Campbell means (much the same as Jordan Peterson’s antipathy toward the idea of “following your bliss” – what he describes isn’t how Joe uses the term, but how some lazy thinkers believe about it; turns out he reinforces those misconceptions, and is a bit of a lazy thinker himself, as he too misunderstood Campbell on this point).”

          Stephen: Dennis too discussed personal myth in his presentation. (I am hoping that my recollection is not faulty) Question was asked how do you know that a myth (macro level) is dying, and can one say the same about a personal myth (micro level)? So the discussion on Mythology of Belief spilled into other areas of personal myths.

          Thank you Marianne for your thought provoking and wonderful contribution. “Perhaps in this thread we could take some time to unravel  then list differentiations we can make in whatever ways we each do so–or discuss what this concept of differentiation means to us and how it plays out in each our lives and possibly then examine too how these could differ from the collective–and apply this to our personal myths (to include our dreams, I suggest).” Would love to see this thread unravel in all directions.

          SidianMSJones, “Do you happen to have a link to that Dennis Slattery presentation you mentioned?” No I don’t, and it’s best that Dennis explore and elaborate this. I am afraid of misstating because I didn’t write or record the session.

          And James, I am still working on a response to your post. Got my book by my side, I’ll write back tonight.

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